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This conversation delves into the complexities of retirement account protection, focusing on how to ensure that retirement savings benefit heirs without being diminished by taxes, lawsuits, or other risks. Ted Gudorf, an expert in estate planning and elder law, explains the importance of proper beneficiary designations and introduces the concept of retirement plan trusts as a solution for asset protection. He discusses common mistakes made in naming beneficiaries and the implications of the SECURE Act on inherited IRAs. The conversation also highlights special considerations for married couples and the importance of consulting with an estate planning attorney to navigate these issues effectively.

Why Your Retirement Accounts May Be the Most Dangerous Assets in Your Estate Plan

You’ve spent decades doing everything right.

Saving consistently.
Investing wisely.
Building a retirement nest egg meant to support your family for generations.

But here’s the uncomfortable truth: one small oversight—just a single line on a beneficiary form—can quietly undo all of it.

Not because of poor planning.
Not because of bad investments.

But because retirement accounts follow a completely different set of rules than everything else in your estate.

And most people never realize it until it’s too late.

A couple recently sat down with an estate planning attorney after accumulating more than $900,000 in retirement savings. They believed their plan was solid. Their three children were named as beneficiaries—simple, straightforward, and fair.

What they didn’t realize is that under current law, that decision could trigger higher taxes, expose the money to lawsuits or divorce, and even jeopardize long-term care eligibility for their children.

All from one form.

This is where most estate plans quietly break.

The Hidden Problem No One Talks About

Retirement accounts are not like your home, your bank account, or your investment portfolio.

They don’t follow your will.
They don’t follow your trust.

They follow one thing—and one thing only:

The beneficiary designation form.

That form overrides everything else in your plan.

Which means even the most carefully drafted estate plan can fail instantly if this one piece is wrong.

And here’s where it gets more complicated.

You can’t simply move retirement accounts into your trust during your lifetime. Doing so can trigger immediate taxation—turning your entire IRA or 401(k) into a taxable event overnight.

So instead, retirement accounts exist in a separate lane—connected to your estate plan only through beneficiary designations.

That separation creates opportunity.

But it also creates risk.

The Rule That Changed Everything in 2020

For years, inherited retirement accounts offered a powerful advantage.

Beneficiaries could “stretch” distributions over their lifetime—spreading taxes out over decades.

That changed with the SECURE Act.

Today, most adult children who inherit a retirement account must withdraw the entire balance within 10 years.

At first glance, that might not seem like a big deal.

But consider what actually happens:

  • Large withdrawals stack on top of existing income
  • Tax brackets increase
  • Investment growth gets disrupted
  • And the money often lands directly in the beneficiary’s name—fully exposed

What used to be a long-term, tax-efficient inheritance can quickly become a short-term, high-tax event.

And that’s just the beginning.

Five Common Mistakes That Quietly Destroy Retirement Plans

Most families don’t make one big mistake.

They make several small ones—each adding risk.

Here are the most common issues that show up again and again:

1. Naming Your Estate as Beneficiary

This might seem like a clean solution—but it often accelerates taxes and eliminates flexibility.

Instead of controlled, strategic distributions, the account may be subject to less favorable payout rules.

2. Naming Minor Children Directly

Minors cannot legally control inherited assets.

That means court involvement, guardianship, and eventually full access at age 18—whether they’re ready or not.

3. Forgetting Contingent Beneficiaries

If something happens to your primary beneficiary and no backup is listed, the account can default to your estate—triggering unnecessary complications.

4. Leaving Assets Outright to Adult Children

This is one of the most overlooked risks.

Once inherited, the account may be exposed to:

  • Creditors
  • Divorce settlements
  • Lawsuits
  • Bankruptcy

And in many states, inherited IRAs do not receive strong protection.

5. Failing to Update Beneficiary Forms

Life changes. Forms don’t.

Divorce, remarriage, births, and deaths all require updates—and missing just one can send assets to the wrong person.

Each of these mistakes is common.

Together, they can be costly.

The Real Risk Isn’t Taxes—It’s What Happens After

Most people focus on taxes when they think about inheritance.

But taxes are only part of the picture.

The bigger issue is control.

Once retirement funds are distributed to a beneficiary outright, you lose all influence over what happens next.

That means:

  • A lawsuit could wipe out the funds
  • A divorce could divide them
  • A financial mistake could deplete them
  • A nursing home could require them to be spent down

And none of that has anything to do with your intentions.

This is where a deeper level of planning comes into play.

A Different Approach: The Retirement Plan Trust

Instead of naming individuals directly, some families use a specialized structure known as a retirement plan trust (or IRA inheritance trust).

This approach doesn’t change the 10-year rule.

The money still has to come out of the retirement account.

But what happens next is completely different.

Instead of going directly to the beneficiary, the funds flow into a trust—where distribution and control can be managed.

And that changes everything.

Two Structures—Two Very Different Outcomes

Not all trusts work the same way.

There are two primary approaches:

Conduit Trust

  • Distributions pass through to the beneficiary immediately
  • Simple structure
  • Limited long-term protection

Once funds leave the trust, they’re exposed.

Accumulation Trust

  • Trustee can retain distributions inside the trust
  • Greater control over timing and access
  • Stronger protection from outside risks

This second structure is where planning becomes powerful.

Because now, the beneficiary doesn’t fully “own” the assets outright.

And that distinction matters.

Why Control Changes the Outcome

When assets remain inside a properly structured trust:

  • Creditors typically cannot force distributions
  • Divorce claims are often limited
  • Medicaid eligibility may be preserved longer
  • Bankruptcy exposure can be reduced

This isn’t about eliminating risk entirely.

It’s about creating separation between the beneficiary and the assets.

That separation is what protects the legacy.

A Real-World Example

Consider a client with an $800,000 IRA.

Instead of naming children directly, separate trusts were created for each beneficiary.

One child worked in a high-risk profession and faced ongoing litigation.

Because the trust included discretionary distribution language, the trustee had the ability to retain funds rather than distribute them outright.

That decision alone created a layer of protection that would not have existed otherwise.

Same assets.
Different structure.
Completely different outcome.

What About Married Couples?

Retirement planning becomes even more nuanced for married individuals.

A surviving spouse has unique options, including:

  • Rolling the IRA into their own account
  • Keeping it as an inherited IRA
  • Delaying distributions depending on age

Each option carries different tax and timing implications.

In some cases, trusts are also used to:

  • Protect against remarriage risks
  • Ensure assets ultimately pass to children
  • Maintain control across generations

But these strategies must be carefully designed to preserve favorable tax treatment.

The Detail That Most Plans Miss

Even with the right structure, execution matters.

A retirement plan trust must meet specific requirements to function properly:

  • It must be valid under state law
  • It must become irrevocable at death
  • Beneficiaries must be clearly identifiable
  • It must include strong discretionary language
  • It must contain spendthrift provisions

If the beneficiary has too much control, protection can weaken.

This is where many DIY or generic plans fall short.

The Overlooked Role of Powers of Attorney

One final—and often missed—piece of the puzzle is your power of attorney.

Many documents do not allow the agent to change beneficiary designations unless explicitly stated.

That means if something happens to you, your agent may not have the authority to fix outdated or incorrect designations.

It’s a small detail—but one that can have significant consequences.

A Simple Starting Point

Before making any changes, start with one step:

Review your beneficiary designations.

Look at every retirement account and confirm:

  • Primary beneficiaries are correct
  • Contingent beneficiaries are listed
  • No outdated names remain
  • Your choices align with your overall plan

If your accounts are substantial—or if your beneficiaries face potential risks—this is where deeper planning becomes essential.

The Real Goal: Protection, Not Just Distribution

Retirement planning isn’t just about passing assets.

It’s about how those assets are received, used, and protected over time.

Taxes matter.
But control matters more.

Because without control, even the best intentions can unravel.

Call to Action

If you want to ensure your retirement savings are protected—not just transferred—take the next step:

Review your beneficiary designations and consult with an experienced estate planning professional who understands how retirement accounts interact with today’s laws.

A single adjustment today can protect your family for decades.

Conclusion

Your retirement accounts may be the most valuable assets you own.

But they are also the most misunderstood.

They don’t follow the same rules as the rest of your estate—and that difference creates both risk and opportunity.

With thoughtful planning, you can:

  • Reduce unnecessary taxes
  • Protect your beneficiaries from outside threats
  • Maintain control over how your legacy is used

Without it, even a well-built plan can quietly fail.

The good news?

This is fixable.

And it often starts with something as simple as reviewing a form you haven’t looked at in years.

Because when it comes to your legacy, the smallest details can make the biggest difference.

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If you’re in your 50s or 60s and have spent decades building retirement savings, you want that money to benefit your children and grandchildren, not get drained by taxes, divorce, lawsuits, or nursing home costs. I recently met with a couple who had saved over $900,000 in their IRAs. They named their three children outright as beneficiaries. What they did not realize is that under the law that changed in 2020,

Most adult children must withdraw an inherited IRA within 10 years. That often pushes them into higher tax brackets and exposes those funds to risk once they land in the child’s name. My name is Ted Gudorf. I’ve practiced estate planning and elder law in Dayton, Ohio for over 35 years. I help families protect retirement accounts and coordinate beneficiary designations with their overall estate plan.

Today, I will explain what a retirement plan, trust, or IRA trust is, how it works under current law, and how it can provide meaningful asset protection for your beneficiaries. Before we discuss that solution, though, you need to understand why retirement accounts are different from your other assets. When we create a living trust, we retitle most assets into that trust. Your house,

bank accounts and brokerage accounts can be transferred during your lifetime into your trust. Retirement accounts cannot be. For instance, traditional IRAs, 401Ks, 403Bs all allow for tax deferral. Roth accounts allow for tax-free withdrawals if the rules are met. Those benefits depend on the account remaining

in a qualified retirement structure. If you try to transfer an IRA into your revocable trust during your lifetime, the IRS treats that as a full distribution and it immediately becomes taxable. Because of that, retirement accounts must remain in your individual name while you are alive and well. The way retirement accounts connect to your estate plan is through the beneficiary designation form.

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That form controls who receives the account at your death. It overrides your will and your trust. If the form is wrong, your estate plan will not work the way you expect. I regularly see five major mistakes with IRA beneficiary designations. First, naming your estate as beneficiary. When the estate is the beneficiary, the payout rules depend on whether you died before or after your required beginning date.

for required minimum distributions. In some cases, the five-year rule applies. In others, distributions follow the decedent’s remaining life expectancy. In either case, your children lose the ability to stretch distributions over their own lifetime or over a 10-year period, depending upon their circumstance. And income taxes are oftentimes accelerated as a result.

Second, naming minor children directly on the beneficiary form. In most states, minors cannot control inherited assets. A guardian will have to be appointed by the probate court. And when the child turns 18, the account is turned over outright to the child. There is no long-term protection. Third, naming only your spouse and failing to name contingent beneficiaries

If both of you die close in time and no contingent beneficiaries are listed, the account may default to your estate and create unnecessary payout and tax problems. Fourth, naming children outright with no protection. When an adult child inherits an IRA in their own name, it becomes an inherited IRA. Under federal law, inherited IRAs do not receive the same bankruptcy protection as retirement accounts you own yourself. Outside of bankruptcy,

Protection depends on what state the beneficiary lives in. In Ohio, inherited IRAs receive full protection from creditors. However, in most states they do not. If your child lives outside of Ohio and is sued, goes through a divorce, or files bankruptcy, that inherited IRA may be at risk. There is also a nursing home issue. If your child inherits the IRA outright and later applies for Medicaid for long-term care,

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The inherited IRA is generally considered an available asset. That can disqualify them from benefits until the funds are spent down. Fifth, never updating beneficiary designations. Divorce, death, remarriage, and births require updates. Beneficiary forms do not fix themselves. Now, let’s talk about the solution. A retirement plan trust, otherwise called an IRA

inheritance trust is a trust designed to be the beneficiary of your retirement accounts. You do not transfer the IRA into the trust during your lifetime. Instead, you name the trust as the beneficiary on the IRA form, oftentimes a customized IRA beneficiary designation form. At your death, the IRA passes to the trust. Under the Secure Act, most

non-spouse beneficiaries must withdraw the entire inherited IRA within 10 years. If death occurs after the required beginning date, annual required minimum distributions are required during years 1 through 9 with full payout by the end of year 10. If death occurs before the required beginning date, the account must still be emptied by the end of year 10, but there are no annual requirements.

The retirement plan trust does not eliminate the 10-year rule for adult children. The distribution still must occur. The difference is what happens once those distributions are paid out of the IRA. Now, there are two primary structures, conduit trust and accumulation trust. With a conduit trust, required distributions received by the trust must be paid out

to the beneficiary. That means once the distribution leaves the IRA and is paid to the trust and then to the child, it is exposed to that child’s creditors, divorce claims, and Medicaid spend down rules. But with an accumulation trust, the trustee has discretion to retain distributions inside the trust instead of paying them outright directly to the beneficiary.

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If the trust includes strong spendthrift provisions and the beneficiary does not have the power to demand distributions, those retained funds in the accumulation trust are generally much harder for creditors to reach under Ohio Trust Law. This is where the asset protection becomes real. Lawsuit protection, creditor protection works because the beneficiary

does not own the trust assets outright. The trustee controls the distributions. A creditor generally cannot force the trustee to make a distribution just to satisfy a judgment. Divorce protection works for similar reasons. If the trust is properly drafted as a separate property trust and the beneficiary does not have unrestricted control, the assets held in the trust

are typically not treated the same as assets owned outright in the beneficiary’s name. While every divorce case is fact-specific, keeping inherited funds inside a properly structured trust creates a much stronger argument that the assets remain separate and protected. Nursing home protection is also stronger when funds remain in a discretionary accumulation trust. If the beneficiary does not have the legal right to compel the distributions,

Those trust assets are generally not treated the same as assets owned outright for Medicaid eligibility purposes. Once funds are distributed directly to the beneficiary, they usually become countable resources for Medicaid purposes. That is why distribution control matters. Bankruptcy protection is another consideration. The United States Supreme Court has ruled that inherited IRAs are not protected in bankruptcy.

the same way as a retirement account you funded yourself. Holding inherited retirement distributions inside a properly structured trust can provide a layer of separation that does not exist with an outright inherited IRA. All of this depends on drafting. A properly drafted retirement plan trust must qualify as a see-through trust under federal regulations.

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It must be valid under state law. It must be irrevocable at death and have identifiable beneficiaries. It must include clear discretionary language and strong spendthrift provisions. If the beneficiary has too much control, the protection can weaken. Here’s a practical example. A client passed away with an $800,000 IRA. He created a separate

retirement plan trusts for each of his three children. One child was in a high-risk profession and had ongoing litigation. Because the IRA beneficiary was an accumulation trust with discretionary distribution language, the trustee could retain the distributions inside the trust during and after the 10-year payout period. That structure created meaningful protection from that child’s creditors compared to an outright inheritance.

For married couples, IRA planning requires special care. A surviving spouse has unique options under federal law. For instance, a surviving spouse can roll the IRA into their own account, which can delay required minimum distributions if they’re younger until their own required beginning date based on their birth year. Or,

The spouse can keep it as an inherited IRA if the original owner died before the required beginning date. The spouse may delay distributions until that date would have been reached. If death occurred after the required beginning date, life expectancy rules apply. If a spouse needs access to funds before age 59 and a half,

Keeping the account as an inherited IRA can avoid the 10 % early withdrawal penalty that would apply to distributions from their own IRA. So, the correct choice for surviving spouse depends upon their age, their income needs, and tax planning. Some married clients also use a retirement plan trust or IRA inheritance trust for remarriage protection.

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By naming a trust rather than the spouse outright, you can control where the remaining funds go at the surviving spouse’s debt and prevent a surviving spouse from giving your IRA to a new spouse. That approach limits flexibility and must be structured carefully to preserve favorable tax treatment. If you want to evaluate your own situation,

Start with your beneficiary designations that you currently have in place. Get a copy for every one of your retirement accounts. Confirm that you have both primary beneficiaries and contingent beneficiaries. Confirm that no former spouse or deceased person remains listed. If you have minor children or beneficiaries in high-risk professions, that should trigger a deeper inquiry on your behalf.

If your retirement accounts are substantial, consult with an estate planning attorney who’s familiar with the SECURE Act, current IRS regulations, and Ohio Trust Law. Ask specifically about setting up a retirement plan trust with accumulation provisions or conduit provisions, with spendthrift provisions, and make sure you understand how the 10-year rule will apply.

One final issue involves powers of attorney. Under Ohio law, if you have a power of attorney where you designate an agent, they can change the beneficiary designation on your retirement accounts only if the document specifically grants that authority and very few do. Make sure you review your durable power of attorney to confirm it reflects

your intent and does include appropriate limits but permits your agent to modify your beneficiary designations. A retirement plan trust is not about avoiding taxes entirely. Income taxes will still be due as distributions are made. It is about combining tax compliance with asset protection, divorce protection, nursing home protection, lawsuit protection,

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and re-marriage protection. With proper planning, can make sure your retirement savings pass to your family in a way that protects them, not just for 10 years, but for the rest of their lives. If you’re interested in getting this set up properly for your family, click the link in the description to watch our How to Protect Your Family with a Living Trust Workshop.

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